Comments on: Are Water Ionizer Products a Scam?

By: mike in Austin

mike in Austin — Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:14:47 +0000

Good stuff.
Reading the comment from Mark in Boynton Beach about the use of baking powder and citrus reminded me of alka-seltzer. It contains citric acid and sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and their reaction together causes it to fizz. I wonder if popping a couple of those each day would increase your ph over time. A big box of em from Costco would be a lot cheaper than a new ionizer.

By: admin

admin — Mon, 09 May 2011 16:08:47 +0000

Jason this comment gets a standing ovation from me! Thank you so much for stopping by and expressing your thoughts so well.

By: JASON

JASON — Mon, 09 May 2011 11:12:18 +0000

Doctors- The True Snake Oil Peddlers
I believe that The medical profession knows the answers and the cures or preventions of most diseases. I further believe that rather like the clergy tried to protect their profession it clearly would not be good business practice for a GP to suggest to his patients that a small number of lifestyle changes may cure their problems.
When my daughter was 18 months old she developed severe eczema on her arms and scratched the area until it bled. A visit to the doctor resulted in an offer of steroid cream. Disgusted we tried more natural alternatives including soya milk within DAYS the eczema went and has never returned.
18 months ago at 12 she developed severe acne on her back and face. A visit to the doctor resulted in an offer of a prescription for tetracyclin and benzoyl peroxide based cream( medical research is amazing as these same two products were prescribed to me repeatedly 30 years ago, without any improvement.)
Over the last 18 months her skin condition has got no better or worse, she is soon to be 14. 3 weeks ago I read about the wonders of salt and mixed a saline solution with cooled boiled water and sea salt. Within DAYS her skin has been transformed.
My younger son was rush diagnosed with ADHD, after 18 months of pressure this diagnosis was overturned and he has returned from the drug induced zombie that Ritalin made him to the happy bouncy by nature (never in trouble ) boy I remember pre medical interference.
The human body is a very complex machine and yet big food and pharmaceutical companies push on us ever more ludicrous processed foodstuffs. We must accept this rubbish and never question the motives behind the bizarre combinations of ingredients. But whenever a potentially positive product such as a water ionizer is touted as the next life enhancer MD`s( backed by corporate machines ) are sent out to destroy the competition.

By: rev liz

rev liz — Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:58:20 +0000

I would like to hear more from the way of the samurai. That person made 2 solid points. I’ve recently been approached to buy th 4K ionizer. I read the material & it actually stated that their product wasn’t any better than another brand they were doing the comparison with, rather, they stated that the cost was so high so they could pay their agents the commission because of it being a MLM company. I agree if one works with raw food as much as possible and when cooking food, make sure you know what ingredients are going into your food and possibly the source especially when it comes to the meat department. In other words, cook from scratch whenever possible. Deep breathing & meditation also helps the cause as well. When your mind, body & soul are in sinc, it’s all good. Taking care of self first, should be the priority. Keep it simple. I have a friend that takes a teaspoon of Certo powder to maintain his Ph level.

By: Mark in Boynton Beach

Mark in Boynton Beach — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:54:17 +0000

My wife and I are testing our health on Iceland water that is found at walgreens and Vitamin Shoppe. One says ph 8.8 and the other also is at 8+. If it does well we might get an ionizer and they do make good ones in the $500-750. Those that are quick to jump/attack on the $4k model are picking a low fruit because that unit is sold through a pyramid sales method. OK…why are we testing out alkaline water. I have been grasping at all sorts of advice since my wife got stage 4 breast cancer. Through light chemo and lots of supplements suited for cancer we are rid of cancer in all 3 places in her body. So we are laser focused on making sure it will not come back. Our first run in with ph was a nurse that said her mother had cancer and it never came back because she had a daily drink of a teaspoon of baking powder and honey everday 1/2 before breakfast. I laughed inside because my wife was taking high advanced medicinal mushrooms and beta glucan…etc But I kept stumbling on testimonies that were similiar…some using baking powder and fresh lemon juice. Its got overwhelming as people all over talk about making their bodies more alkaline. One guy in the office actually 5 yrs ago measured every friend and relative with the saliva litmus test. Everyone that was 6.0 or worst eventually got a disease. I also read that kids absorb minerals so well like Mg, Ca and potassium that they are always 7+ on saliva tests….sure enough my young kids were all dark green or 7.2+. I was sitting at ph 6.5 along with my wife. So far the iceland water is working along with healthy eating and we are moving up the scale. Hope this helps…get the yellow litmus tests for 5 bucks…test your sick aunt, the healthy barley grass hippie, the kids and the family, one column being your estimate of their health and then the ph reading of their saliva when not drinking/eating for an hour…no doubt you will see a trend.

By: way of the samurai

way of the samurai — Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:50:55 +0000

I agree with the scientist.

All of you don’t know a thing about this topic.

As for the “Korean”, anyone can post a fake korean name.

By: sal

sal — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:03:46 +0000

FOR ALL YOU NAYSAYERS OUT THERE- do you think the american people are stupid? do you think they would just say, “ok here is $4,000.00 send me an ionizer?” of course not. enagic reps give the water to people for a week or two, FREE OF CHARGE, and when they see a difference in their body (and let me say this again for the naysayers and frustration ex- enagic reps who couldnt be successful in the business and have to resort to bashing the company) and when they see a difference in there body do they buy one. let me ask this, how many people on this blog would shell out $4000.00 for something without trying it first. can anybody be that stupid. of course not. could the naysayers on here be that stupid? of course and they are!!

By: Rachel Yoon

Rachel Yoon — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:02:05 +0000

I came to have more interest in water and did a lot of on-line research since my husband started to promote Ionizer. As Brian’s comment, I encountered both negative and positive theories on alkaline water. So what to trust? I totally agree that doctors and scientists present what they believe and often they have different opinions.
I am originally from Korea and I trust oriental approach to health (holistic treatments, working on causes, and using natural ingredients) more than western approach (treating symptoms, using chemical drugs). And I believe alternative healings came to the western world so late because of the symoptom treating medical system and the power of the phamaceutical industry. Not succeeding in finding real proof of alkaline water, I started to research information available in Korea as Japan and Korea has much longer history of researching the benefits of alkaline water. That is when I started to see that alkaline water is not snake oil and it will get eventually approved like echinacea. (The effect of echinacea was researched mostly in Germany until it became to be widely known in North America even though North American Natives knew its benefits and used it over 400 years.)
I decided to share information I find from Korean resources and created a blog. I personally drink ionized alkaline water and I don’t have constipation any more. (believe me. I suffered from it over 10 years.) I will never go back to water I used to drink before.

The reality of information access is that inforrmation that threatens powered industry (food industry, pharmaceutical industry, etc.) is not easily accessible unless you really dig in.

If anyone reads the retired professor’s “ionized and alkaline water: snake oil on tap” article, please read this as well: http://glowing-health.com/science-and-myths/snake-oil-part1.html
Then you can make your own judgement.

By: Brian

Brian — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:37:00 +0000

First, I realize that alkaline water and ionized water are not the same thing. It seems more scientific knowledge exists about the pH levels of things than does the ionization.

Here’s the catch with ionized water: neither your claims nor the claims of skeptics can be substantiated yet.

It takes multiple, independent, peer reviewable scientific studies to replicate the same results to prove the claims to be true or false. And even after that, it takes many years of perfecting the procedures to get the perfect ionized water – and then even more years of drinking the water to see if any positive or negative effects occur.

I’ve yet to find any sources of information pertaining to real studies done on the ionization of water using the scientific method. If any exists, I’d love to find it; please give us any links you have for info published by any accredited / academically established research group.

If such information is not available, you can’t definitively prove OR disprove your claims – or anyone else’s for that matter.

As for the debate on alkaline water, I wanted to comment about the body’s need to maintain the pH of blood so that acidosis or alkalosis does not occur. Expelling CO2 from the lungs is one of the primary ways the body keeps check on the acid level from becoming too concentrated. It would seem that practicing deep breathing exercises would be more beneficial than introducing large amounts of alkaline water to the body. To me, it also seems more sensical to eat a balanced variety of acidic and alkaline foods so that the average pH of all foods consumed would be close to neutral – and that would put less stress on the body’s buffers for regulating pH.

A pH of 7 is neutral and the blood’s healthy range is from 7.35 to 7.45 which means it is slightly alkaline. I can see why a slightly alkaline diet would be good, but of course overdoing it would tax the body’s resources to keep the pH down to that range.

And that’s why I personally deduce that a well balanced diet of raw or unprocessed foods free of harmful chemicals/pathogens and deep breathing of fresh air is all we really need… unless some proven repeatable results are found to verify the claims of ionized water or higher concentrations of alkaline substances.

I’m leaving my mind open to the possibility that the claims could be proven true; I’m merely waiting for the real proof.

By: admin

admin — Mon, 18 May 2009 18:14:06 +0000

Hi there anonymous. Thank you so much for your comment. Why do you think I would delete your comment just because you offer a website with an opposing point of view? I would be more likely to remove it because of the anonymous nature. But just as I am entitled to my opinion, so are you respectfully entitled to yours. Once again, please read http://www.realwaterhealth.com/quackwatch-and-the-acidalkaline-water-theory/

For all that these detractors claim to want to embrace “real science” they do not seem to have a good idea of how the body actually maintains a neutral to very slightly alkaline pH.

One thing that is very important to understand. That even science is subject to interpretation of results, and most scientists and doctors do not agree on what results mean. I have a lot of respect for doctors and scientists, but life doesn’t happen in the lab, and almost ALL of the intricaies of how our bodies work are based on theories.

Most of what is stated as “science” on that site is in fact theory and pseudoscience itself.

By: anonymous

anonymous — Sun, 17 May 2009 15:58:42 +0000

Hi there,
I am just a regular consumer who has been researching all the ways to get better drinking water after my naturopath told me that reverse osmosis is best. I quickly discovered many things: there is a lot of information on the internet, much of it is contradictory and confuses the reader more rather than help them and there are far too many choices out there. As an example, with reverse osmosis you do get pure water but it leaves out the ‘good’ minerals at the same time. I’m still unclear if it is the best choice. I then came across alkaline water and ionizers and must say was considering buying an ionizer until I read the information on this website (good thing I didn’t give up my research; even when I am convinced something is good I still do a search on the topic with ‘scam’ behind it to see the other side of the coin):

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html

I believe you will find lots of logic and proof to refute any claim made about alkaline water and ionizers. We’ll see if you keep this comment posted after you’ve read this informative webpage!

By: admin

admin — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:38:10 +0000

Hello Lawrence: Thank you so much for your comments. I am going to leave this comment but I am going to ask that if you return that you please provide some logical back up for your arguments, and refrain from rudeness and name calling. Credentials are not a substitute for lack of manners, and this is after all my website. )

I would like to mention that if you want to convert the world to your way of thinking and you don’t have enough influence to even “save” your friends and family then either your approach, or your “science” is flawed.

I would love to hear more of your opinion respectfully submitted and backed up with some logic that we can either evaluate or refute.

This would be a great place to start if you are up to it.
http://www.realwaterhealth.com/quackwatch-and-the-acidalkaline-water-theory/

By: Lawrence Forsley

Lawrence Forsley — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:16:02 +0000

I am a chemist and a physicist. I have spent nearly 30 years observing specific properties of water for a variety of reasons. I am continually astonished at the gullibility and increasingly pseudo-science hype afforded to such nonsense as this. All to many of my friends have fallen prey to a host of multi-level-marketing, pseudo-science-based health scams such as yours. This is worse than snake oil.